Forced-Feminisation Stories - Feelings?

[Lavander]

Well... a finger then.

[Ella Kenet]

*simpers* Al-alright Miss Lavender *blush*

That certainly strikes a chord. As someone who has been in a state of denial for about twelve years (frightening thought...) I can see the attraction of forced situations, as long as the underlying motive is compassionate. It took me a long time to overcome my guilt of desiring to be feminised - because when I did come out to someone close to me, they were completely disgusted - so a situation that absolves one of guilt is powerfully attractive, I can imagine.

What principally puts me off (and may even have delayed my entry into the lovely sissy community) are the multitude of petticoat discipline tales that focus entirely on the emotion of shame. I appreciate that shame may be, for some, integral to pleasure, but my own girly instincts whisper to me that being feminine is far from being something to be ashamed about, and anyone who implies otherwise is on the verge of blasphemy. ;)

That sums it up for me too.
I think there is something that we can call œan agreed sense of coercion� - that the persons playing reasonably expect that the party who is to 'submit' does.
The kind of concept can be illustrated from something in my sissy past.
Like most of us, I played with girls and we played games that involved consequence one involved what we defined as œTorture� - been held down and ticked silly.
Everybody consented to this game however we established some limits “ not more than a couple of minutes, to stop when the person become deeply uncomfortable and the aim being more an collective administered embarrassment delivered rather than humiliating the person in itself.
œGentle coercion� is respectful of the individuals and does not seek humiliation.
It's that that I find missing from much of the Forced Feminization stories.

[Andreea]

Completely agreed. Without empathy between the dominant and the submissive, or at the very least a powerful desire of the dominant to bring pleasure and self-awakening to the submissive in spite of their objections, these stories generally leave a bad taste in my mouth.

However, they can mitigate this by observing traditional story ethics. That might involve the submissive eventually getting their revenge and the dominant getting their comeuppance, or the submissive being a horrible person to begin with who badly needs a lesson in humility (and is morally improved by the ordeal).

The worst scenario, IMO, is of a perfectly normal character (husband, son, whatever), with no overt moral flaws, being feminised completely against their will by a power-mad character, who only allows them to receive pleasure as a side-effect of complete degradation, and of them being left in this enslaved situation at the close of the story. Granted that any element of secret desire on the part of the submissive would make this situation a lot less dramatic, it is also the only thing that could make it bearable in real life.

[Collette]

True non-compliance is something that just... I dunno... turns me on so much. The idea, at least. And in my case, I am always on the "victim" side of things. I don't know why this is, but it is, and it's something I don't really care to hide.

But here's the thing. I don't condone rape in any way, I've had friends destroyed by rape. They'll never be the same people inside. I would never wish it upon anyone, and I take it very seriously.

And I've always wondered if that makes me a hypocrite. I can't stand the thought of rape, but... somehow I can be turned on by it when it involves me. I honestly can't explain that to you. Just don't think of me as a monster because that's how I feel. I would never force myself on someone, and I'm sure that if I were to actually *be* raped, it wouldn't be a picnic. I'm sure my own fantasies are derived from the thought of domination and submission, where ithe domination would be as heavy as it possibly could get. And probably something about feeling not in control...

And I'm counting forced-femme as rape, here, even though nothing sexual necessarily has to happen.

True non-compliance is something that just... I dunno... turns me on so much. The idea, at least. And in my case, I am always on the "victim" side of things. I don't know why this is, but it is, and it's something I don't really care to hide.

But here's the thing. I don't condone rape in any way, I've had friends destroyed by rape. They'll never be the same people inside. I would never wish it upon anyone, and I take it very seriously.

And I've always wondered if that makes me a hypocrite. I can't stand the thought of rape, but... somehow I can be turned on by it when it involves me. I honestly can't explain that to you. Just don't think of me as a monster because that's how I feel. I would never force myself on someone, and I'm sure that if I were to actually *be* raped, it wouldn't be a picnic. I'm sure my own fantasies are derived from the thought of domination and submission, where ithe domination would be as heavy as it possibly could get. And probably something about feeling not in control...

And I'm counting forced-femme as rape, here, even though nothing sexual necessarily has to happen.

You raise a serious point there. If it's 'forced' that's to say with no consent, then it is by definition Rape even if nothing sexual has happened if not technically an assault. That, having worked in the Legal System, I can't agree with.
If both persons agree prior to the role play what will happen - having some ground rules - then that is acceptable.

[Collette]

You raise a serious point there. If it's 'forced' that's to say with no consent, then it is by definition Rape even if nothing sexual has happened if not technically an assault. That, having worked in the Legal System, I can't agree with.
If both persons agree prior to the role play what will happen - having some ground rules - then that is acceptable.

Well I'm still not entirely sure it counts as rape legally, but I would think it would... you know? Forced is forced.

And in my case, my forced femininity fantasies could never be considered rape anyway, because a large part of me would be enjoying it. It could only ever be rough play. Therefore, both parties would technically be consenting.

I can totally understand why people would be repulsed by the idea, and I think most of the people on this forum are the type to ask "why forced?" Since I'm here, I must already enjoy being feminized, so why would I ever need to be forced into being so? Also, just because of the fact that it could be considered rape... I can easily see the point of view that would be perplexed as to why anyone would enjoy that. Especially from the point of view as the rapist, him/herself.

And to a point, I agree. If you get off on the thought of raping someone, you *need* to make sure it is something you can keep to yourself, and not actually do in real life.

Anyway... I would try to explain further my thought process behind why I think I'm turned on by it, but i think this post has gone on long enough. Maybe some other time.

[Iris]

Y'know why I think so many of us like the idea of Forced Feminization?

Because then we get what we want without the burden of responsibility.

I mean yeah its a turn on, but I also think that part of the attraction it holds for us is that we can be feminine and girlish without having to make the decision ourselves, and if we get caught we just have to point to the dominant and say "She made me do it! o_o", and thereby avoid most of the insults and abuse we'd normally get for being like this since it wasn't our choice.

Just a thought. >.>

[Collette]

Y'know why I think so many of us like the idea of Forced Feminization?

Because then we get what we want without the burden of responsibility.

I mean yeah its a turn on, but I also think that part of the attraction it holds for us is that we can be feminine and girlish without having to make the decision ourselves, and if we get caught we just have to point to the dominant and say "She made me do it! o_o", and thereby avoid most of the insults and abuse we'd normally get for being like this since it wasn't our choice.

Just a thought. >.>

Ehhh... I know that isn't the case for me. There are a fair few other scenarios where I enjoy the "forced" aspect. I do see your point, though, and I think subconsciously a lot of people probably do feel that way.

[dprdwimp]

Y'know why I think so many of us like the idea of Forced Feminization?

Because then we get what we want without the burden of responsibility.

I mean yeah its a turn on, but I also think that part of the attraction it holds for us is that we can be feminine and girlish without having to make the decision ourselves, and if we get caught we just have to point to the dominant and say "She made me do it! o_o", and thereby avoid most of the insults and abuse we'd normally get for being like this since it wasn't our choice.

Just a thought. >.>

I agree! It is a challenge for many of us to let go of our masculine roles for fear of discovery and outing. Having the forced aspect takes away the burden and the responsibility and frees the 'man' from his masculine duties.

My favourite fantasies are ones where the boy is discovered as a sissy, nurtured and coddled, then punished with threatened or actual exposure. The threat of exposing secrets through video or pictures seems to be a common theme, and tends to give the woman the upper hand in the scenario. I am not completely into rendering men powerless, just allowed to be vulnerable and free. Males are not generally allowed to express themselves freely, the roles are cast early in life and it is very often socially unacceptable to explore outside of these roles in anything except secret fantasies. This is the cause for much confusion, pain, and conflict for many men that I have met. This is also one reason that lesbians are seen as socially agreeable while bisexual or gay men are not, unless they are the side kick to a strong woman (see Will and Grace as an example).

Some day it will all level out, but for now I have fantasy stories and some life experiences to live from. The small vignettes into a world that I wish I could explore and live in, but know that it would cost me everything that I have worked for thus far. Conflict ensues, but oh well!

[Andreea]

My favourite fantasies are ones where the boy is discovered as a sissy, nurtured and coddled, then punished with threatened or actual exposure. The threat of exposing secrets through video or pictures seems to be a common theme, and tends to give the woman the upper hand in the scenario. I am not completely into rendering men powerless, just allowed to be vulnerable and free. Males are not generally allowed to express themselves freely, the roles are cast early in life and it is very often socially unacceptable to explore outside of these roles in anything except secret fantasies. This is the cause for much confusion, pain, and conflict for many men that I have met. This is also one reason that lesbians are seen as socially agreeable while bisexual or gay men are not, unless they are the side kick to a strong woman (see Will and Grace as an example).

I gather that there there those in the LGBT community who are fairly hostile towards the whole concept of male sissiness, feeling that it badly undermines the public image of gay people (i.e. The sense that sexuality does not affect their ability to occupy "approved" masculine gender roles). What I heard, anyway. Don't know if anyone here has actually encountered that attitude.

Loss of control and responsibility can certainly be a liberating sensation. The same can be applied across the spectrum of human activity. I believe the literal meaning of the word "Islam" is "surrender" (implying that conversion is a personal defeat, yet a personal gain), and since planning and control (and worrying) play such a great part in our modern lives, being able to escape to a role in which someone else does all of that is an attractive option. Nothing bizarre in that... What weirds me out are the forced fem and AB stories that concentrate lingeringly on a situation they construct as genuinely forced, with no participation or self-surrender on the part of the sub. I think their predominance may be mostly to do with the fact that such situations of conflict simply make more dramatic stories than shared fantasies (though I also believe a shared fantasy can actually make compelling reading - in fact I've seen it done here, more than once).

[ciaraanne]

I like forced fem stories as well...magazines are very expensive though, that could be spent on clothing.

[_Davina_]

Like so many, I have been addicted to Fictionmania forever and it seems sometimes I can't get enough but I like to make one distinction. I don't believe in "actual" forced fem. I just find it very difficult to imagine that any type of forced fem could really occur simply because the victim could so easily remove him/herself from the situation if they really wanted to. I like to believe that all the forced fem exists mainly because it is something that the alleged victim really wants to happen anyway. So I see it as a "mind-game" where everybody is getting what they really want.

I look at the majority of it as a role-playing game where we each get to be the person we fantasize about without any of the responsibility that would go along with it in a real-life setting. So I can read the stories and imagine myself in the place of many of the characters and enjoy the story as just that, a fantasy and a story. Then, it is time to get back to reality.

[Andreea]

I have indeed seen plenty of forced-fem stories in which it is no great stretch of the imagination to suppose that the feminised man is complicit in becoming a woman / sissy, and many even in which the dominant is aware of this secret desire and is eager to fulfil it. However, I have also read stories in which shame, fear, and disgust were the predominant emotions of the submissive, cruelty and the will to control were the motives of the dominant, and reasons were devised for why the forced fem concept should be plausible and the protagonist unable to remove himself (Science fiction plot devices, magic, threat of violence, etc). Predictably, though, the closer these stories come to reality, the nastier I find them. I was particularly repulsed by some stories on petticoated.com that focused on thoroughly sadistic parents gloating over having reduced their sons to a state of self-contempt and blind obedience. At any level of imagination, it is impossible for me to wish to be in their place.

[little_boy_pink]

I couldn't agree more about that, I think the force should primarily provide an incentive to start- that it takes away barriers not that it imposes more.

[Wannabe_Baby]

I think a lot of what I think has already been said but I'll throw in my two cents anyway. First of all, stating the obvious: we all know that "forced" isn't the same as being forced for real, not for sissies. Which is, I imagine, why this thread exists.

I love nothing more than a forced fem story (although in my case, I'd lean more towards forced babyhood stories) because there isn't a single part of me that isn't aware that it's all complete fiction. We're all allowed to have fantasies and how many of us do dream about being put into satin panties, stockings, heels and a training bra by a strong, clever, independant and domineering woman? I have. There's also a certain amount of putting ourselves in the submissive's role in the story, imagining it's us being feminised, which is why I so love audios and stories with a woman speaking and saying "you" as if speaking to the reader. This method also takes away what could be the "victim" role, as opposed to a submissive, since it's us being feminised. And, of course, we WANT to be feminised otherwise we wouldn't be reading the story or listening to the audio or watching the video . . .

However, I object to Forced Feminisation actually happening to unwilling men. While many of us may have had the fantasy of it happening, the actuality of it is a bit different, which is why I held such disdain towards petticoated.com or Petticoat Discipline Quarterly, as I believe it's known. A website (and, I think, magazine) devoted to forced fem and occasionally babifying would be fine but so many of the letters and articles on the site deal with women acting out their aggression on their unwilling husbands and making them into their maids, babies, little girls and so forth. The worst part is that it deals with feminising male children as well, which is when we step from "forced fem" into "child abuse". EDIT: I see Andreea above shares this opinion with me. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.

I heard a mention of forced bi earlier in the thread and have wondered about this myself. I take the same stance, in that it's fine as long as it's in fiction and, as long as there is DEFINITE consent between all parties, in real life too. Which brings with it the feminist argument of what consent really is but that's not exactly for us to deal with . . .

Oddly enough, I became interested in forced bi just yesterday. Normally I'd never be interested but it's astonishing how appealing something can sound when being told by a silky-voiced Mistress.

[Dea]

I think the important thing to remember here is that fantasy does not equal reality.

Just the same as playing a violent videogame doesn't make you a murderer, reading an erotic fanfic about someone being forced into something doesn't make you a rapist.

[deb_in_training]

I realize this thread has been inactive for a while, but I think the questions it raises are extremely important, and I'd like to add my two cents worth.

Or maybe even a full buck's worth. :)

I don't think forced fem stories should be censored. Maybe edit the guidelines to recommend that the author identify forced fem stories, so those readers who don't like them can skip them (or those who do can find them). But that's all.

Why?

First, to censor something is to admit that it has power. It's so dangerous we can't let people see it! Do you really want to give forced fem stories that much power?

Second, folks who are offended by such material can just ignore it. Censoring it means you don't think they have the brains to do that. Talk about insulting!

Third, censorship is a slippery slope. Where do you stop? I dare say there are plenty of people who'd just love to censor this entire site!

Fourth, look at the forum with sissification tasks. Those are mighty close to forced fem. Granted, it's not like a mother forcing her eight year old son into ballet tutus and imprisoning him in a pink bedroom, but they're walking down the same path.

Fifth, there's a word for stories about happy, well-adjusted people who don't have any problems: BORING! Seriously, most stories need some sort of conflict or tension. Granted, you can get tension even if the guy is a willing participant. For example, he can struggle to make himself look pretty and to fool everyone into thinking he's a real girl. But as a plot device, forced fem provides a lot more options.

Sixth, I like forced fem stories! At least the more moderate ones (see below). From the previous comments, I gather I'm not alone. I have to admit, Andreea has my number when she said,

"It took me a long time to overcome my guilt of desiring to be feminized - because when I did come out to someone close to me, they were completely disgusted - so a situation that absolves one of guilt is powerfully attractive, I can imagine."

Yeah, that's me. Except that I've never come out to anyone, because I knew they'd be disgusted. So it's very difficult to admit that I want to be "one of the girls." When I was younger, I couldn't admit that I wanted to be a total girly-girl. I wanted to wear miniskirts and camis and heels and makeup, and I would have sold my soul for a prom gown that would let me channel Princess Barbie. Now that I'm a little older, I want to be a stylish lady. I'd love to be invited to a dinner party, so I could wear a short and sexy -- but elegant! -- cocktail dress. Plus shear stockings, to-die-for stilettos and lacy lingerie. An ensemble that whispers "fuck me!" rather than shouting it. And if the other women think I'm a few years too old for a skirt that short ... well, they can eat their hearts out!

It's taken me years to admit those desires in an anonymous forum like this. There's no way I could admit that to anyone who knows me. Ever. Sigh.

Okay, so what kind of forced fem stories do I like? To start, the characters should have believable motivations. Why is the mother turning her son into a girl? Why does he put up with it?

Here's a tip I learned in an acting class. When someone asked how to play a villain, the teacher said, "You don't! Nobody thinks of themselves as a villain. No matter how evil your character's actions are, you have to find some way to justify them to yourself. Only Snidely Whiplash in a campy melodrama does evil for evil's sake."

For example, the mother might truly believe her son would be better off as a girl, and that excuses the evil she's doing. Or, as an extreme case, as far as she's concerned, her son isn't a person. He's just an object, so it's okay to use him her own gratification. Incidentally, while the latter is believable ... God knows, there are people like that! ... I doubt I'd like any story with that premise.

Actually, my ideal forced fem stories are more "coerced" than "forced." The guy chooses to become a girl, but only because it's better than the alternatives. Hence he becomes a willing, although reluctant, participant in his feminization. Perhaps it's permanent, perhaps not, but I feel a lot better about the story if wherever he ends up, he's better off for his experience.

Here's an example: A rich old lady reaches out to her only surviving relative, her estranged niece. The aunt says, "Before I die, I want to see one more girl in our family presented as a debutant. You don't have any daughters, but your teenage son is small and delicate. With the proper training, he could be a very cute girl. If you give him to me, I'll give him that training, and when he's 18, I'll present him as a debutant. After that, he can burn his dresses and heels and return to his former life. If you and your son agree, I'll leave my estate to you. If not, I'll leave it to the Scientologists." The niece and son agree because they want the money. The aunt does it partly because she wants to present one more deb, and partly because she's a manipulative bitch who gets her jollies pushing other people around. So what happens in the end? Does the son turn back into a guy? Can he, after several years as a girly-girl social butterfly? Only his hair dresser knows for sure!

What else? I don't like stories with torture or heavy corporal punishment. Mild bondage and spanking, okay, but not the rough stuff. Heh heh ... after all, aren't bras and girdles and corsets a mild form of bondage? And aren't high heels torture devices?

Any of you read "Miss High Heels?" It's the anonymous Victorian tale of how 18-year-old Dennis Beryl is transformed into Denise Beryl by his step sister. In the opening scene, he's laced into a tight corset and poured into an elegant evening gown. As he puts it, "My sheath skirt molded my legs in its gleaming satin and chiffon, outlining the girlish curve of my figure and was caught tightly in at the ankles by a scarf of tulle passed through a big sparkling diamond buckle in front of the dress and tied in a great bow behind. My legs were quite bound by these dainty fetters of satin and tulle." A maid threads pink ribbons through his shining curls, encases his arms in shoulder-length evening gloves, decks him out with jewels -- and gags him. Finally his step sister presents him at a dinner party as Denise.

Later that evening, when he commits some minor infraction, his sister makes him stand in a corner with his arms behind his back. She binds his arms together from the elbows to the wrists, using white satin straps with diamond buckles. Then she shackles his ankles together, ties the train of his gown around his legs, and makes him stand like that for a few hours.

That scene made quite an impression on me. ("No ****, Sherlock!") An exciting fantasy, but I don't really want anyone to do that to me. Well ... maybe I wouldn't mind if someone made me wear that gown and those gloves and jewels. And presenting me at a formal dinner party -- that's okay. But making me stand in the corner with my elbows tied together and my legs shackled? No way in hell! Unless I was a really bad girl. And then only tie my wrists, please!

Seriously, though, the scenes when he gets caned or birched ... when they beat him until his skin was bright red ... yuko! Those turned me off completely. I couldn't read them.

Ah ... for those of you who got this far, sorry for the long post. Once I got started, I found I couldn't stop.

[Andreea]

I didn't start this thread to be pro-censorship, I assure you. I just wanted to ascertain whether I was weird and isolated in my distaste of "the rough stuff", and I'm rather relieved to see that I'm not.

Here's a tip I learned in an acting class. When someone asked how to play a villain, the teacher said, "You don't! Nobody thinks of themselves as a villain. No matter how evil your character's actions are, you have to find some way to justify them to yourself. Only Snidely Whiplash in a campy melodrama does evil for evil's sake."

Thank you for this line, by the way. I think I may be quoting that quite a lot. We have always had a great tendency to demonise our enemies and assume that they know full well that they are the "bad guys", without realising that they are thinking exactly the same about us.

Your distinction between "coercion" and "force" is an important one. Put bluntly, if the man / boy is being forced kicking and screaming into girly clothes that he hates by someone who wants to make him suffer and no more, then there is no way I am going to want to imagine myself in his place. I think probably the majority of forced fem stories are not this one-sided, but I certainly have seen a few along the "campy melodrama" lines with the female equivalent of "Snidely Whiplash" performing the feminisation. Petticoat Discipline Quarterly, I am looking in your direction...

[emily9]

I echo your view on this. I was under the impression when I became a new member to this website that this was " Common Knowledge. " Appearantly Not. My two (2) stories I posted were deleted from the forum. I guess we have members here who can not understand that these are Just Fantasies for me. Role playing, Age Play. Trying to find a Partner to fulFill my forced but willing desires.

People, these are just fantasies I want to share with You and Hopefully someday, a Lover to fulFill them.
I do have self control. I'm not a preditor by any means.

emily.

I generally agree with you. I think the point of forced-fem fantasies should be that the "victim" secretly desires to be transformed, so the process represents fulfillment, not actual punishment or cruelty. He is unwilling, however, or maybe unable to allow himself to indulge these desires, so the only way they can be expressed is if he is compelled to accpet them. Perhaps he has given subtle clues of these desires, which is why he is chosen. At least that's why I enjoy reading them, as his is pretty much how I feel.

Love,

Emma

[Twilight Starknight]

each to there own personally i dont mind forced fem stories but some could be a little more forewarned

[Widdle Wendy]

Overall I prefer forced feminization stories to AB storied, but when forced-fem stories can be combined with being forced into diapers, then I am in heaven. I do like a little shame to be involved in the story. I've always liked a little humiliation in my sexual play. That being said, I can't enjoy any story where the dominant is motivated entirely by cruelty. I prefer it when they are being cruel to be kind. I like it when the feminization is being done for the subjects own good, weather as a punishment to correct bad behavior, or because the character would be more successful and happy in a femenine role. In the end I need the main character to grow to love their new femmy self.

Big words from a widdle girl,



Widdle Wendy

[Maaike]

In my own mindscapes, the 'minor forcing' was there to be able to say to the outside world 'they forced me to do it' - to forfill the masculinity concept, as it is so brilliantly stated above. It is easy to see that that can lead to a far greater need to be constantly humiliated if the feelings remain repressed, and the humiliation becomes part of the enjoyment.

On my side of the spectrum, I prefer sweet on most days, with the person in question being talked into it and enjoying it, but I have the days where the main character in the story should be bound, gagged and made up pretty - in those cases it is generally not me that is being feminized, but a bully of old, or someone that I think could use a little sensivity training. Cruelty should not enter into the equation, and that carries through to me really not imagining ever hurting my partner, because that turns me off in milliseconds.

On that note, those fantasies have not gone beyond my mindscape. I have never tried bondage on myself (some light bondage on partners), let alone in combination with (forced) feminization, so I do not know if the 'real' thing measures up.

[Andreea]

Thanks for those insights.

I prefer it when they are being cruel to be kind. I like it when the feminization is being done for the subjects own good, weather as a punishment to correct bad behavior, or because the character would be more successful and happy in a femenine role. In the end I need the main character to grow to love their new femmy self.

This thought appeals strongly to me. I feminise myself because it makes me feel happy, and certainly not because I want to feel shame. I can cope with a story that needs the character to pass through a phase of humiliation, but I feel strongly that it should always end up with a sense of acceptance, joy, self-discovery, etc. What turns me off are the stories that make the humiliation the actual purpose of the feminisation / babification.

I prefer sweet on most days, with the person in question being talked into it and enjoying it, but I have the days where the main character in the story should be bound, gagged and made up pretty - in those cases it is generally not me that is being feminized, but a bully of old, or someone that I think could use a little sensivity training. Cruelty should not enter into the equation, and that carries through to me really not imagining ever hurting my partner, because that turns me off in milliseconds.

Which beautifully reinforces the point: cruelty or revenge for their own sakes make ugly spectacles in fiction or in life, but punishments can be depicted as a means to kinder ends. There was a recently posted story ("Skirting the Issue", by SissyKrissy) which I think got the balance right: a forced-fem scene that was humiliating, but was designed to make the victim feel empathy and regret for sexist behaviour. However, my taste generally runs to stories that leave out the punishment factor entirely (such as you wonderfully sweet AB scene, Maaike ). I do fully accept that is just a question of taste, though, and only indicative of my own lack of adventurousness when it comes to bondage, S&M, etc.

[DS-]

Since I'm mostly a humiliation enthusiast, I don't mind forced-fem stories dealing with cruelty, as long as the motivation for the act are credible. I'm not sure if it counts as "secretly wanting it", but I prefer victims getting turned on by what is happening to them or the circumstances it occurs in because it further adds to the humiliation; to that end, even being forced to enjoy it works. Ofcourse, this only because it's fiction/fantasy, the only place where things bordering and amounting to rape belong (no matter how bad they secretly want it or how much it turns them on, if they say no and it happens regardless, that's rape).

I don't really understand why some people get angry about stories though. If certain subjects are not to their taste, or evoke traumatic memories, I think it's their own responsibility to stop reading - it's not a flaw in the story, because those elements that spark such strong (negative) emotions in one person can be just what gets another going. Not everyone identifies with the protagonist in forced-fem stories - there are those on the other side of things as well ofcourse, who delight in his shame. We don't/can't always control what turns us on after all, and as long as things are kept a fantasy I believe there's no harm in it.

Furthermore, I agree with deb_in_training that consensual-everybody-happy scenarios are boring, but to me that's mostly because if everybody is happy, there's usually no humiliation, so there's nothing interesting going on. Even though I'm an enthusiast of the 'darker' sort of stories, I can still see how for some people a sweet fantasy is exactly what they prefer, even if it has no drama, entertainment or even arousal going for it - if it works for them, great. I think it's good that sissykiss.com welcomes all sides of that spectrum.