Forced-Feminisation Stories - Feelings?

[Andreea]

I have encountered a lot of interesting opinions here on the subject on forced-fem stories, and I am curious to get a general view about how we feel on this subject. Personally, although I have time for it, I do have limits: specifically, I do not care for a story in which feminisation is perceived as a merely degrading, punishing experience. On the other hand, I can approve of a sense of (relatively gentle) coercion as long as the man, at some level, perceives that what is happening to him is a beautiful thing.

If I were to fantasise such a scenario, it would most likely involve me being captured by a cadre of lady vampires (the residual goth in me speaks...), who would decide to induct me as their new sister. They would certainly be forceful, dismissing my protests completely, but they would not indulge in cruelty: for they know what they are doing is for my good, and that I will eventually realise this, so they continually reassure me of how pretty I am becoming, how this will help my better side to emerge, and how I should just surrender myself to the loveliness of this experience beyond my control.

In short, whilst I very much like the themes of loss of control and gentle humiliation (a word which comes from humility, which is a virtue, as too many have forgotten these days...), I am not keen on any story that undermines the glorious aspect of feminisation, and reduces it to mere punishment or a form of S&M play.

That could just be me, though. Any thoughts? I can cope with total disagreement...

[emma_sissy]

I generally agree with you. I think the point of forced-fem fantasies should be that the "victim" secretly desires to be transformed, so the process represents fulfillment, not actual punishment or cruelty. He is unwilling, however, or maybe unable to allow himself to indulge these desires, so the only way they can be expressed is if he is compelled to accpet them. Perhaps he has given subtle clues of these desires, which is why he is chosen. At least that's why I enjoy reading them, as his is pretty much how I feel.

Love,

Emma

[Andreea]

That certainly strikes a chord. As someone who has been in a state of denial for about twelve years (frightening thought...) I can see the attraction of forced situations, as long as the underlying motive is compassionate. It took me a long time to overcome my guilt of desiring to be feminised - because when I did come out to someone close to me, they were completely disgusted - so a situation that absolves one of guilt is powerfully attractive, I can imagine.

What principally puts me off (and may even have delayed my entry into the lovely sissy community) are the multitude of petticoat discipline tales that focus entirely on the emotion of shame. I appreciate that shame may be, for some, integral to pleasure, but my own girly instincts whisper to me that being feminine is far from being something to be ashamed about, and anyone who implies otherwise is on the verge of blasphemy. ;)

[PinkPlasticPanties]

Oh why do I find this at 3 AM? somewhere I already started this discussion with you, if my sleep deprived brain remembers correctly.

I will edit this when I wake up and answer seriously. *kiss*

[little_boy_pink]

I'm all for it SO LONG AS IT IS REWARDING, the fantasy of fiction relies on us identifying with the protagonist and I think we all know one thing we have in common. Real stuff is often, as desirable as it may seem on the surface, rather a different kettle of fish; stories are all well and good but it's best not to get carried away and try something that can only be sure to work in the premise of a story.

[Andreea]

You make a great point there, and I personally think that the forced-fem stories that work best are those that either realistically depict a consensual situation, or those that use fantasy tropes (magic, alien technology etc) to depict a consensual or rewarding - as you say - situation. Fictional characters tend to respond in an idealised fashion, but in reality a non-consesnual yet rewarding feminisation is verging on extreme unlikelihood. Very few people would seriously entertain a concept of pleasurable rape, after all. I personally think feminisation is a lovely experience (of course), yet I can't help but feel if I had actually undergone some of the realistic life-stories of petticoat discipline on the web, I would have been scarred for life. On the other hand, I can fantasise cheerfully about how I might act were I at the mercy of gender-switching supernatural beings rather than an abusive parent, as the situation is surreal enough to admit many possibilities.

On the other hand, I have a great preference for fantasy fiction in any case, so my opinion is totally biased and probably valueless. ;)

[sissy becky]

Different strokes for different folks, as the old saw goes.

You hit the nail on the head about forced fem, frequently (but not always) it is about the shame and humiliation. The same can be said with the adult baby thing--and you will find a similar split there too--some ABies need to have the shame and humiliation added, and some would rather not.

Being really into humiliation myself, I can say that the shame adds an extra spice to the whole experience. Its one thing to be in pink diapers. It is another thing entirely to be in pink diapers because I am a sissy who can't control himself.

Forced Feminization and humiliation touch on some deep issues. One cannot deny the inherent sexism in it (this is not to say that the fetishist is actually a closet sexist!).

But here is the thing about most sexy stories, especially with a forced component. They're sexy because we want to be put in that position, but if we were put into that position without wanting it, of course it would scar anyone for life. It is just like the rape fantasy thing (which is more common then you might think), there are lines around what is an acceptable pleasurable rape and what is not.

Okay, so why should feminization be a shaming thing? Well, I can only really speak for myself, but to be feminized means that you are put into a more open, vulnerable position. This vulnerability is antithetical to the standards of masculinity and strength. Lace rather then steel, soft flowers rather then hard powertools. In part, the shame is not due to the existence of the feminine, but the rejection of the masculine.

Okay, so why? Why is this even a turn on? Well, having grown up as the weakling nerdy kid in school, who was more into teddybears then tonka trucks, I got picked on, shamed and humiliated because I didn't fit the typical male image. We, the shame/humilation junkies really key into that, and use femininity as the juxtaposition against which our inability to be masculine is played out on. I think that this is the key here. It's not that femininity is in and of itself an undesirable trait, rather that the femininity is used as an accent to show a lack of masculinity. Another key here is that these notions of femininity as masculinity are really closer to "hyper-femininity" and "hyper-masculinity" rather then any kind of balance.

Thanks for the post, this has really given me a chance to look at my own preference for shame and humiliation, and where it comes from.

[Andreea]

An interesting, and slightly disturbing implication: are people such as ourselves, who exalt a certain image of the feminine, perpetuating sexist stereotypes? I fear many impartial observers would say yes. I hope that is not the be-all and end-all of our culture, but there is no denying that the main process of encouraging sexual equality has been in a "masculinising" direction: i.e. women have striven (rightly, under the circumstances) to escape from being merely defined by their relationships, and to compete with men on increasingly equal terms in a world where individual success is the primary objective.

Personally, I would have preferred the sexes to have met somewhere in the middle (with women becoming less submissive but men becoming more empathic and less egotistic), but that has not really been the case so far. Not universally, anyway: hyper-masculinity is still very common, and men of a sensitive and artistic disposition remain open to accusations of being a sissy or gay (Justified, in my case, and cheerfully so, :) but a sad reflection that schoolboys these days still use such words as perjorative terms).

So many standards are purely arbitrary, of course. It has been well observed that ballet - the ultimate pretty, pastel-shaded, stereotypically sissy pursuit - is more physically exacting than many "macho" sports. Clothing is a perfect example: goodness knows, I think many women's clothes are much more pleasantly tactile to wear and lovelier to look at than men's, but this does not make them intrinsic to female nature. Bring up a boy in a sealed laboratory, naked, (please don't...) then introduce him later in life to a collection of men's and women's clothing, and it is a fair bet he will simply select based upon what feels nicer, fits well, and looks most appealing to him. Children in the past, both boys and girls, have been brought up to the age of puberty in very similar clothes, and only set apart as they reach maturity. It takes a lot of social conditioning before lace, satin, and pretty patterns stop being the lovely things that they essentially are, and become tragic signifiers of sexism.

There may be some merit, thus, in using "unflattering" extremes of masculine and feminine in feminisation culture, if only to encourage the examination and redefinition of both terms. I do prefer, however, a story in which the feminised character is enabled / encouraged to live a complete and rewarding new life, rather than being trapped into a stereotype role (BDSM victim, mannequin, maid, etc). Most of all, I prefer a story where the motive for the change contains at least an element of love. My preferred atmosphere would be the one achieved in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82oash9TGM

...or this story, in our very own forum...

http://www.sissykiss.com/showthread.php?t=3598

Both fantasy scenarios, of course, call me Miss Predictable... ;)

[Iris]

Yeah, when I'm a dominant in a Forced Feminization roleplay I always like it best when the submissive winds up desiring whats happening. Resistance is fun at first, but after a while its nice to have the sissy giggling and acting feminine without having to threaten them.

I used to have another RP partner for a while, but that guy was HUGE on the humiliation aspect. He refused to compromise and wanted it to be a constantly humiliating and degrading situation.

I tend to keep him set to "Permanently Invisible" now. Probably should just go ahead and block him. >.>

But yeah. I like the humiliation fantasies if I'm in a really bad mood and need to blow off some steam... but normally I'd just as soon have a cute sissy boi who likes wearing dresses.

[Andreea]

I used to have another RP partner for a while, but that guy was HUGE on the humiliation aspect. He refused to compromise and wanted it to be a constantly humiliating and degrading situation.

My... He sounds charming. I think I would definitely block that one, just for lasting peace of mind.

Not that I am against sub / dom role-play. In fact, just in case you are reading this, Lavander dear, I was quite flattered by your little moment of "forcefulness" re: my quiz results.

But compromise - as you say - is the key word, as in any successful relationship. True domination would always be a repellent thing, because the dominant would, necessarily, relate to the victim (hardly a submissive...) much as a rapist would. Thus, I would argue, the need to include - or at least to hint at - that element of reciprocity in any stories on domination themes, including feminisation.

[Lavander]

Not that I am against sub / dom role-play. In fact, just in case you are reading this, Lavander dear, I was quite flattered by your little moment of "forcefulness" re: my quiz results.

Thank you! I always try to make it fun and entertaining for both the dom and sub, of which I can be either.

[Dea]

Yeah, when I'm a dominant in a Forced Feminization roleplay I always like it best when the submissive winds up desiring whats happening. Resistance is fun at first, but after a while its nice to have the sissy giggling and acting feminine without having to threaten them.

I used to have another RP partner for a while, but that guy was HUGE on the humiliation aspect. He refused to compromise and wanted it to be a constantly humiliating and degrading situation.

I tend to keep him set to "Permanently Invisible" now. Probably should just go ahead and block him. >.>

But yeah. I like the humiliation fantasies if I'm in a really bad mood and need to blow off some steam... but normally I'd just as soon have a cute sissy boi who likes wearing dresses.

Hum, I know the feeling from the opposite end. It's nice to resist and pout about it at first, but it's great when deep down you both know you love it and that can shine through. It does depend a lot on mood, though. There are times when from a sub perspective I just want to curl up in their lap and forget the whole confrontational aspect, and there are times when you're dying to be pushed into it.

[Frillyfillies-prev]

I tend to dislike most if not all forced feminization stories because they seem to involve females as the one forcing (usually) males. It seems to be thought that it's something they know more about simply because they are female.

[Lavander]

I tend to dislike most if not all forced feminization stories because they seem to involve females as the one forcing (usually) males. It seems to be thought that it's something they know more about simply because they are female.

Hear hear! I would love to see a story where a man force feminizes someone like Rosie O'donnel.

::slapping the bucket of fried chicken from her hands::

No Rosie, a lady doesn't sit like that, eat with her mouth open, nor does she chew the bones!

[Dea]

I tend to dislike most if not all forced feminization stories because they seem to involve females as the one forcing (usually) males. It seems to be thought that it's something they know more about simply because they are female.

This is true, but I think it's not so much a problem with the story type as much as the fact that most tvs, abs, and sissies are straight, in the sense that they're male-identified people (most of the time!) who like women. So it's only natural that they'd write stories about being sissified by women, as opposed to men.

There are quite a few bisexual sissification stories, but you're right that we do need more "sissified by a guy" ones out there, too.

[Iris]

Hear hear! I would love to see a story where a man force feminizes someone like Rosie O'donnel.

::slapping the bucket of fried chicken from her hands::

No Rosie, a lady doesn't sit like that, eat with her mouth open, nor does she chew the bones!

*catches the bucket and chomps off all the meat on a drumstick at once, then proceeds to chew on the bone like a puppy* ... Wait... we don't?! o_o

;-; But I like tooooo....

Besides, Rosie doesn't count. I'm not sure she's either gender these days. >.>

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*chews on the bone* Nom nom nom. =3

This is true, but I think it's not so much a problem with the story type as much as the fact that most tvs, abs, and sissies are straight, in the sense that they're male-identified people (most of the time!) who like women. So it's only natural that they'd write stories about being sissified by women, as opposed to men.

There are quite a few bisexual sissification stories, but you're right that we do need more "sissified by a guy" ones out there, too.

As to that... am I the only one here who's heard of www.fictionmania.com?

You'll have to dig a bit, but its the single biggest forced (and otherwise) feminization story archive I've ever managed to find online! I've been going there since I was in High School! =O

Seriously, I can think of at least two stories on there that I've read personally with a maledom and a sissy submissive. There's bound to be more that I haven't seen yet either.

I mean this is right on the front page:

For Fans of TransGendered Fiction...
Total number of stories: 15347

Gotta be something in there. >.>

And if you happen to be a fan of J.K. Rowling or just enjoy reading about really weird **** happening to children's heroes, there's a Harry Potter fanfiction on there called "Holly Potter and the Mists of Avalon". Has illustrations too. They might have removed it, I'm not sure, but I think they may have gotten in legal trouble. >.>()

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*chews on the bone again* Nom nom nom nom... =3

[Lavander]

*chews on the bone again* Nom nom nom nom... =3

::slapping the chicken bone from her hands::

No itrainsissies, a lady doesn't sit like that, eat with her mouth open, nor does she chew the bones!

::Lavander picks the chicken bone up then slides it up itrainsissies' sissy hole::

There. That's where a bone belongs!

[Dea]

*catches the bucket and chomps off all the meat on a drumstick at once, then proceeds to chew on the bone like a puppy* ... Wait... we don't?! o_o

;-; But I like tooooo....

Besides, Rosie doesn't count. I'm not sure she's either gender these days. >.>

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*chews on the bone* Nom nom nom. =3



As to that... am I the only one here who's heard of www.fictionmania.com?

You'll have to dig a bit, but its the single biggest forced (and otherwise) feminization story archive I've ever managed to find online! I've been going there since I was in High School! =O

Seriously, I can think of at least two stories on there that I've read personally with a maledom and a sissy submissive. There's bound to be more that I haven't seen yet either.

I mean this is right on the front page:



Gotta be something in there. >.>

And if you happen to be a fan of J.K. Rowling or just enjoy reading about really weird **** happening to children's heroes, there's a Harry Potter fanfiction on there called "Holly Potter and the Mists of Avalon". Has illustrations too. They might have removed it, I'm not sure, but I think they may have gotten in legal trouble. >.>()

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*chews on the bone again* Nom nom nom nom... =3

That's far from the worst on fictionmania. I'm reasonably sure that's where I found a Stargate forced-regression fanfic, not to mention all the Yu-Gi-Oh.

And all this is making me want to chew bones now, but I'm a vegetarian so I'm somewhat limited.

*chews celery*

It's not the saaaame! ;-;

[Lavander]

And all this is making me want to chew bones now, but I'm a vegetarian so I'm somewhat limited.

*chews celery*

It's not the saaaame! ;-;

Think it's not the same now, wait until it goes up your sissy hole!!

[Iris]

That's far from the worst on fictionmania. I'm reasonably sure that's where I found a Stargate forced-regression fanfic, not to mention all the Yu-Gi-Oh.

And all this is making me want to chew bones now, but I'm a vegetarian so I'm somewhat limited.

*chews celery*

It's not the saaaame! ;-;

Stargate? >_<

Yu Gi Oh?! >.>() ... Depends on which characters.... but mostly ew.

I don't think I could ever be a vegetarian. I grew up enjoying the cooked flesh of dead animals waaaaay too much. 8D

*eats a hamburger* Mmmm... Cow... ^_^

[Dea]

Think it's not the same now, wait until it goes up your sissy hole!!

Eeeek! That would hurt. o.o

[Lavander]

It won't be as bad as the triple decker big mac that's going to go up itrainsissies sissy hole!

[Ella Kenet]

All these girls and their sissy holes *giggle*

Personally, I'm accepting of the genre, so long as its mutually benefitial, and ends up for the best

If a guy doesn't need any kind of corrective training, then he shouldn't be foreculy feminized. Maybe ihe should be persuaded or coaxed, but ultimately it should be his choice, and that should be known

On the other hand, if the boy or girl is an absolute Dennis the Mennis, then feminize, sissfy, and babify away

That in mind, Lavander, how would I fit into that?

[Lavander]

All these girls and their sissy holes *giggle*

...

On the other hand, if the boy or girl is an absolute Dennis the Mennis, then feminize, sissfy, and babify away

That in mind, Lavander, how would I fit into that?

Brace yourself, one hand up the sissy hole coming right up!

[Ella Kenet]

Nooooooooo *covers bum* I'll be good! I promise!